Vintage Gianni Versace Big Chunky Palm Tree Rare Belt
By Gianni Versace
Located in New York, NY
Vintage rare Gianni Versace Palm trees 🌴 chunky belt Extremely rare and eye catching Please see
Vintage Gianni Versace Big Chunky Palm Tree Rare Belt
By Gianni Versace
Located in New York, NY
Vintage rare Gianni Versace Palm trees 🌴 chunky belt Extremely rare and eye catching Please see
Tom Ford for Gucci Metallic Belt
By Tom Ford for Gucci
Located in Scottsdale, AZ
sophistication. Crafted in a light champagne color, this wide, chunky belt features a fun and eye-catching
DOLCE & GABBANA Vintage Emerald Green Crystals Floral Interlock Belt Necklace
By Dolce & Gabbana
Located in Wokingham, England
DOLCE & GABBANA D&G Vintage Sparkling Emerald Green Crystals Floral Flower Interlocked Chunky Belt
Yves Saint Laurent YSL Large Swirl Oval Shell Medallion Link Belt Long Necklace
By Yves Saint Laurent
Located in Wokingham, England
Medallion Charms Pendant Link Chunky Belt Long Necklace, Gold Plated Very good condition. Maybe light
Vintage "CHANEL" ID Logo Chunky Gold Chain Statement Belt
By Chanel
Located in Bellevue, WA
Vintage chunky gold CHANEL name plate Chain-Link belt which can also be styled as a collar necklace
Rare 1995 Vintage Chanel Crystal CC Chunky Chain Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Rare 1995 crystal CC chunky gold belt. Slight tarnishing to the gold hardware, but overall still in
Vintage 1994 Chanel Chunky Leather Entwined Chain Layered Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Classic vintage chain leather belt from Chanel. In good vintage condition. Minor scuffs and
CHRISTIAN DIOR BOUTIQUE Vintage Chunky Medallion Crest Chain Belt Necklace
By Christian Dior
Located in Nice, FR
CHRISTIAN DIOR BOUTIQUE by GIANFRANCO FERRE vintage chunky gold tone textured chain belt/necklace
Fendi Black Leather Waist Belt With Chunky Patent Leather Buckle
By Fendi
Located in Scottsdale, AZ
and contemporary style. This stunning belt features a bold chunky patent leather buckle that commands
Vintage 1995 Chanel White Entwined Leather Chunky Chain Medallion Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Classic vintage chain belt. Hardly comes in white. Slight tarnishing on the hardware and rubbing on
Vintage Paloma Picasso Black Patent Leather Belt with Chunky Gold Hardware
By Paloma Picasso
Located in Morongo Valley, CA
Vintage Paloma Picasso black patent leather belt with four gold-tone chunky rope chain bars across
$390Sale Price|25% Off
ALEXANDER MCQUEEN black leather silver chunky metal chain wrap belt 70cm
By Alexander McQueen, Sarah Burton
Located in Hong Kong, NT
ALEXANDER MCQUEEN black leather silver chunky metal chain wrap belt 70cm Reference: AAWC/A01197
$1,440Sale Price|20% Off
CHANEL 1990's Vintage iconic gold plated logo ID chunky chain necklace belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld
Located in Hong Kong, NT
CHANEL 1990's Vintage iconic gold plated logo ID chunky chain necklace belt Reference: TGAS/E00857
Chanel Vintage 1985 Large Baroque Circle Medallion Flower Relief Necklace Belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel
Located in Wokingham, England
Charms Chunky Statement Elegant Modernist Necklace Belt, Gold Plated Very good condition. Light
Chanel Vintage 1984 Medallion CC Logo Circle Charm Double Strand Necklace Belt
By Chanel
Located in Wokingham, England
Interlocked Chunky Modernist Elegant Necklace Belt, Gold Plated Very good condition. Only colour loss at
Chanel Vintage 1984 Medallion CC Logo Black Leather triple Strand Necklace Belt
By Chanel
Located in Wokingham, England
Chanel Vintage 1980s Unisex Large Classic Medallion CC Logo Curb Link interlocked Chunky Statement
Edouard Rambaud Paris 3 Piece Chain Belt & Star Earring Set 80s Vintage Rare
By Edouard Rambaud
Located in Port Saint Lucie, FL
. Crafted in gold-tone metal, the substantial chain belt features chunky, layered links adorned with
Chanel Vintage 1984 Medallion CC Logo Black Leather Triple Strand Necklace Belt
By Chanel
Located in Wokingham, England
intertwined Chain Link Chunky Modernist Elegant Necklace Belt, Gold Plated Very excellent condition. Not any
$375Sale Price|21% Off
Size: 6
Vintage Jean - Charles de Castelbajac Embroidered ' Scribble ' Pencil Skirt
By Jean-Charles de Castelbajac
Located in San Diego, CA
---AND, perfect with a chunky belt! Fully lined. In great condition. Made in Italy. Marked Size EU 42
Prada Linea Rossa Faux Fur Trimmed Quilted Jacket w/Pouch
By Miuccia Prada, Prada
Located in London, GB
polyester with wool cuffs and removable polyester fur trim. Comes with chunky leather belt with detachable
Iconic Chanel Vintage S/S 1992 Karl Black CC Knit Zip Mini 90s Dress
By Chanel
Located in Jersey City, NJ
distinctive style. For an uber-cool look, pair it with a cropped white shirt underneath, a chunky waist belt
$408Sale Price|20% Off
BALENCIAGA Demna 2017 logo patch silver zip cropped moto leather pants FR40 L
By Balenciaga
Located in Hong Kong, NT
branded patch for recognition. The chunky waist belt furthers the rebellious mood of the pair. material
Issey Miyake 2005 A-POC Orange Two-Piece Sleeveless Dress
By Issey Miyake
Located in Scottsdale, AZ
Laurent blazer for a sophisticated twist. Pair it with a chunky Valentino belt to accentuate the waist or
Vintage YVES SAINT LAURENT Chunky Chain Necklace Belt
By Yves Saint Laurent
Located in Kingersheim, Alsace
Vintage YVES SAINT LAURENT Chunky Chain Necklace Belt Measurements: Height: 1 2/8 inches Wearable
Vintage CHRISTIAN DIOR Medallion Crest Chunky Chain Necklace Belt
By Christian Dior
Located in Kingersheim, Alsace
Vintage CHRISTIAN DIOR Medallion Crest Chunky Chain Necklace Belt Measurements: Height: 1.88
Classic Chanel Chunky Gold Tone Chain Link Black Leather Belt
By Chanel
Located in Athens, Agia Paraskevi
Classic Chanel Chunky Gold Tone Chain Link Black Leather Belt
CHANEL ✿*゚GRANDEUR Chunky SEE THROUGH Gripoix Poured Glass Flower Necklace Belt
Located in KAOHSIUNG, TW
be a belt and is fabulous when wearing as a necklace . Each hand crafted large chunky " SEE THROUGH
CHANEL ✿*゚GRANDEUR Chunky SEE THROUGH Gripoix Poured Glass Flower Necklace Belt
By Chanel
Located in KAOHSIUNG, TW
chunky " SEE THROUGH " camellia flower plate is lavishly adorned with gorgeous Gripoix Pâte de verre
Chanel Vintage Chain Belt
By Chanel
Located in Malibu, CA
Straiaght from Paris.... Chanel's Vintage Chain Belt a must for your closet. This classic chunky
1980s Escada Vintage Signature Statement Belt Leather West Germany
By Escada
Located in Portland, OR
This vintage dark brown leather belt from Escada was made in West Germany in the 1980's. The belt
Vintage JEAN PAUL GAULTIER Limited Edition Anniversaire 1976 - 2001 Bronze Belt
By Jean Paul Gaultier
Located in Kingersheim, Alsace
the buckle. - Chunky chain belt strap. - Signed JEN PAUL GAULITER ANNIVERSAIRE 1976 - 2001. - Size 85
Chanel Multi-strand Gold Chain Belt with CC Logo from 2008 collection
By Chanel
Located in Hong Kong, Hong Kong
A very flexible chunky chain belt in gold tone with large CC logo. Clasp closure with a small CC
DOLCE & GABBANA Vintage Emerald Green Crystals Floral Interlock Belt Necklace
By Dolce & Gabbana
Located in Wokingham, England
DOLCE & GABBANA D&G Vintage Sparkling Emerald Green Crystals Floral Flower Interlocked Chunky Belt
Chanel Vintage Chunky Charms Belt
By Chanel
Located in New York, NY
Chanel vintage chunky charms belt. Very good condition. 9 iconic round and square charms. Hook
Chanel Chunky Chain Belt 1980s
By Chanel
Located in London, GB
Exuding femininity, this gold-plated Chunky Chain Belt is finished with the classic Chanel CC
2020 Chanel Chunky Logo Layered Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Beautiful chanel chunky layered belt in black and gold. Comes with box. From 2019 collection.
Fall 1993 Chanel Chunky Chain Link Belt
By Chanel
Located in Toronto, Ontario
The iconic Chanel chunky chain belt from the Fall 1993 collection. In excellent condition
Prada Black Leather Chunky Round Buckle Belt
By Prada
Located in London, GB
designer resale item. Details Black Leather Wide belt Chunky round buckle Made in Italy
Vintage 1990s Chanel Chunky Chain Layered Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Iconic vintage 90s Chanel Layered Belt. Perfect accesories to add to elevate any look. Minor
Vintage 1994 Chanel Chunky Chain Medallion Leather Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Chunky vintage leather chain belt from 1994. Medallion with cursive CC detailing. Light tarnishing
Chanel Black Interlaced Lambskin & Gold Vintage Chunky Coin Chain Belt
By Chanel
Located in Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire
BRAND Chanel MODEL Chunky Coin Chain Belt GENDER Women's MATERIAL(S) Lambskin Leather, Metal COLOUR
ALEXANDER MCQUEEN black leather silver chunky metal chain wrap belt 70cm
By Alexander McQueen
Located in Hong Kong, NT
ALEXANDER MCQUEEN black leather silver chunky metal chain wrap belt 70cm Reference: AAWC/A01197
CHANEL Vintage 1990's Gold Tone Chunky Curb Chain & Black Leather Belt
By Chanel
Located in San Francisco, CA
Vintage 1990's CHANEL belt features a yellow gold tone metal chunky curb chain strap with black
CHANEL KARL LAGERFELD 2.55 chunky gold-tone chain leather trimmed triple belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld
Located in Hong Kong, NT
CHANEL KARL LAGERFELD 2.55 chunky gold-tone chain leather trimmed triple belt Brand: CHANEL
rare FURLA silver chunky chain Byzantine cross crystal skull charm chain belt
Located in Hong Kong, NT
rare FURLA silver chunky chain Byzantine cross crystal skull charm chain belt Reference: ANWU
CHANEL gold tone CC logo medallion coin chunky double chain drop belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld
Located in Hong Kong, NT
CHANEL gold tone CC logo medallion coin chunky double chain drop belt Reference: TGAS/D00158 Brand
CHANEL gold tone CC logo medallion coin chunky double chain drop belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld
Located in Hong Kong, NT
CHANEL gold tone CC logo medallion coin chunky double chain drop belt Reference: TGAS/D00158 Brand
Gianni Versace Silver-Toned Medusa Leather Belt
By Gianni Versace
Located in Scottsdale, AZ
crocodile black leather belt with bold and chunky silver-toned metal Medusa belt clasp (5x4cm). Elevate any
1980s Vintage CHANEL Gold Toned CoCo Chain Belt Necklace
By Chanel
Located in Bangkok, TH
1980s Chanel gold toned CoCo chain belt in chunky chain featuring a gold toned Chanel coin charm
CHANEL Gold Plated Triple Green Leather Chain Belt Necklace
By Chanel
Located in Bangkok, TH
Early 1990s Chanel chunky chain belt has a triple chain front interlaced with green leather
Chanel 1980s Heavy Gold Tone Chain Belt With Bauble Charms
By Chanel
Located in London, GB
exudes glamour. The belt is chunky with a pleasing weight to it and has a simple hook fastening so that
SAINT LAURENT 8.5 Black Suede Oversized Belt Buckle Ankle Strap Jane 105 Sandals
By Yves Saint Laurent
Located in San Francisco, CA
patent leather sole and covered slim heel, black suede toe strap, and chunky belt ankle strap. Made in
Chanel Vintage 1984 Medallion CC Logo Black Leather triple Strand Necklace Belt
By Chanel
Located in Wokingham, England
Chanel Vintage 1980s Unisex Large Classic Medallion CC Logo Curb Link interlocked Chunky Statement
new BALENCIAGA Demna 2018 Runway antique gold metal chunky chain belt necklace
By Balenciaga
Located in Hong Kong, NT
new BALENCIAGA Demna 2018 Runway antique gold metal chunky chain belt necklace Reference: TGAS
new BALENCIAGA Demna 2018 Runway antique gold metal chunky chain necklace belt
By Balenciaga
Located in Hong Kong, NT
new BALENCIAGA Demna 2018 Runway antique gold metal chunky chain necklace belt Reference: TGAS
MIU MIU Size 8 Navy Velvet Chunky Heel Platform Sandals
By Miu Miu
Located in San Francisco, CA
MIU MIU sandals comes navy velvet featuring a platform style, chunky heel, and a belt buckle
MIU MIU Size 8 Black Satin Chunky Heel Platform Sandals
By Miu Miu
Located in San Francisco, CA
MIU MIU sandals comes black velvet featuring a platform style, chunky heel, and a belt buckle
GUCCI Size 11 Black Flashtrek Spikes Canvas Leather Trim Sneakers
By Gucci
Located in San Francisco, CA
, detachable thin belt straps, chunky midsole, and a lace up closure. Very Good Pre-Owned Condition. Marked
GUCCI Size 11 Black Flashtrek Spikes Canvas Leather Trim Sneakers
By Gucci
Located in San Francisco, CA
, detachable thin belt straps, chunky midsole, and a lace up closure. Very Good Pre-Owned Condition. Marked
GUCCI Size 9.5 Black Green Beaded Nylon Lace Up Sneakers
By Gucci
Located in San Francisco, CA
, detachable green rhinestones belt straps, chunky midsole, and a lace up closure. Made in Italy.Very Good Pre
Iconic Chanel Vintage S/S 1992 Karl Black CC Knit Zip Mini 90s Dress
By Chanel
Located in Jersey City, NJ
distinctive style. For an uber-cool look, pair it with a cropped white shirt underneath, a chunky waist belt
Balenciaga Demna 2017 Logo Patch Zip Cropped Moto Ride Leather Pants Fr40 L
By Balenciaga
Located in Hong Kong, NT
branded patch for recognition. The chunky waist belt furthers the rebellious mood of the pair. material
1980s Donna Karan Purple Suede Leather Chunky Waist Belt
By Donna Karan
Located in Scottsdale, AZ
Elevate your style with this stunning 1980s Donna Karan Purple Suede Leather Chunky Waist Belt
Celine vintage chunky large signed gold logo link chain belt
By Celine
Located in Antwerpen, Vlaams Gewest
CELINE vintage chunky gold logo link chain belt An early 80-90’s vintage gold chunky chain belt
2000s Prada Gold Metal Chunky Chain Gemstone Buckle Jewel Belt
By Prada
Located in London, GB
Stunning 200os Prada Jewel belt, gold tone metal chunky chain, buckle is embellished with gemstones
Rare Vintage 1990s Chanel Large CC Chunky Double Layered Belt
By Chanel
Located in Jakarta, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta
Very rare Chanel vintage big CC double layered belt. Very good vintage condition with light scuffs
Chanel Vintage 1990s Chunky Gold Toned Chain Belt/Necklace with Charms
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage gold toned belt featuring a chunky curb chain with 9 iconic round and square charms
Chanel Vintage 1990s Chunky Gold Toned Chain Belt/Necklace with Charms
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage rare gold toned belt featuring a chunky curb chain with 9 iconic round and square
CHANEL KARL LAGERFELD heavy chunky gold-tone chain curb dual CC belt
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld
Located in Hong Kong, NT
CHANEL KARL LAGERFELD heavy chunky gold-tone chain curb dual CC belt Brand: CHANEL Designer: Karl
Chanel F/W 1991 Extra Chunky Triple Chain Woven Leather Belt CC Logo Medallion
By Chanel, Karl Lagerfeld for Chanel
Located in BELLEVUE HILL, NSW
& collectible Chanel belt features an extra chunky woven leather chain with two woven leather chains of
Very Bold Chunky Turquoise Necklace. Iris Apfel Style
By Hermès
Located in Buchanan, MI
Very Bold Chunky Turquoise Necklace. Iris Apfel Style
Chanel Vintage Wooden Heart Belt
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage rare belt featuring chunky gold toned and carved clear wood links with a wooden CC
Chanel Chain and Coral Tweed Belt Necklace
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL light gold toned chunky chain belt with intertwined coral tweed strap and CC logo drop at
c.1970 Surrealist Antiqued Brass Clasping Hands Belt
Located in Atlanta, GA
finish supporting a chunky dark brown leather belt. The belt offers five snap adjustments on each side
Surrealist Victorian Style Clasping Hands Belt Buckle, C.1970
Located in Atlanta, GA
black stretch velcro belt which may not have been original and could be updated with a chunky leather
Yves Saint Laurent YSL Vintage Gold Toned Heart Chain Belt
By Yves Saint Laurent
Located in Nice, FR
Yves Saint Laurent vintage chunky chain belt featuring textured hearts embossed "YVES SAINT LAURENT
Chanel Vintage Gold Toned Signature ID Plate Chain Belt Necklace
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage gold toned chunky chain belt featuring ID tag style plates embossed CHANEL and a 31
Judith Leiber Ornate Moons & Stars Celestial Glass Beaded Charm Belt c 1980s
By Judith Leiber
Located in University City, MO
chunky wide gilt link chain belt Many of the flat-shaped moons & stars charms are inscribed Judith
Chanel Vintage 1993 Iconic Chain and Fuschia Leather Belt with Large CC Logos
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage iconic chunky gold toned chain belt with intertwined fuschia leather and large CC
Chanel Vintage 1993 Gold Toned Chain and Leather Belt with Large CC Logo
By Chanel
Located in Nice, FR
CHANEL vintage chunky gold toned chain belt with intertwined black leather and CC logo charm
1970s Louis Feraud Couture Tan Lace Floral Embroidered Dress
By Louis Feraud
Located in San Francisco, CA
Louis Feraud 1970s haute couture light brown lace dress in a 1920s style drop waist silhouette. Amazing embroidered lace and hand finished seam allowances. Small buttons conceal a ba...
S/S 2002 Gianni Versace by Donatella Runway Sheer White Sleeveless Ruffle Top
By Gianni Versace, Donatella Versace for Gianni Versace
Located in West Hollywood, CA
This Spring/Summer 2002 Gianni Versace by Donatella sheer white sleeveless ruffle top debuted on the season's runway. The lightweight, semi-transparent fabric is adorned with delicat...
1980's Brown Mink Lightweight Reversible Coat
Located in Toronto, Ontario
Chic 1980's unmarked Canadian brown mink reversible long coat. One side is brown leather patchwork pattern with a fur collar and cuffs. The textured pattern is created by piecing the...
John Galliano for Christian Dior S/S 2009 Silk Halter Dress
By John Galliano, Christian Dior
Located in Water Mill, NY
A gorgeous rich purple silk halter dress by John Galliano for Christian Dior. It is fitted through the bodice with a stunning intricately detailed ruffle trimmed plunge halter neckli...
BADGLEY MISCHKA Vintage Iridescent Lilac Beaded Evening Bag
By Badgley Mischka
Located in Leonardo, NJ
Badgley Mischka Vintage Heavily embellished with sequins, crystals, and beading Iridescent lilac purple with pinks Ornate silver hardware and unique chain Pristine Measurements in in...
rare CHRISTIAN DIOR John Galliano Vintage washed babylamb leather coat FR36 S
By John Galliano, Christian Dior
Located in Hong Kong, NT
rare CHRISTIAN DIOR John Galliano Vintage washed blue babylamb leather coat FR36 S Reference: TGAS/E00670 Brand: Dior Designer: John Galliano Material: Lambskin Leather Color: Blue, ...
Alexander McQueen New Cashmere "DANTE" A/W 1996 Dress
By Alexander McQueen
Located in Water Mill, NY
A fabulous black cashmere blend mini dress with a dramatic stand up collar from Alexander McQueen. It is double breasted with a stand up lapel collar which frames the face beautifull...
$2,500
Size: USA 8 fits like a 6
VALENTINO Vintage Silk Crystal Embellished Pewter Evening Gown Maxi Dress
By Valentino
Located in Leonardo, NJ
Valentino Vintage Pewter silver color 100% silk Strap can be worn off the shoulder, too Clear crystal accents (one strap can be re-glued/taped/etc) Invisible side zip Size USA 8 fits...
Alexander McQueen New Khaki Pants with Hip Lacing S/S 2002
By Alexander McQueen
Located in Water Mill, NY
Fabulous khaki cotton pants from Alexander McQueen. They have full straight legs with curved panels over the back hips with a fan of laces meeting and buttoning on the front sides at...
Jean Paul Gaultier S/S 1995 Virgin & Child by Jean Fouquet Print Slip Mini Dress
By Jean Paul Gaultier
Located in Naples, FL
Jean Paul Gaultier S/S 1995 Virgin & Child with Angels by Jean Fouquet Print Sheer Mesh Slip Mini Dress Size M Print seen on Kim Kardashian.
Cartier Vintage Cabochon Sapphire and Diamond Signet Ring, c.1980s
By Cartier
Located in London, GB
A stately Cartier gypsy sapphire and diamond ring dating to c.1980s. In the centre sits a gorgeous 1.50 carat cabochon sapphire paired with a round brilliant cut diamond to either si...
Diamond, Sapphire, 18k Gold
$250
Size: vintage size 6.5 AA
I Miller Ivory, Pink and Green Peony Vamp Slingback Stiletto Sandals-6.5A, 1950s
Located in Tucson, AZ
As if to prove mid-century gals were unafraid of color, these sculpted stilettos mitigate their neutral bone ground with a fully-articulated leather peony in shades of pink and green...
LES HABITUDES 90's Vintage Couture Hand-Beaded Silk Embellished Evening Gown
Located in Leonardo, NJ
wedding / bridal / bride Les Habitudes Couture Vintage 1990's Entirely hand-made in England 100% silk Size Medium but fits like a XS/S Excellent Condition, no flaws Measurements in i...
Rare GUCCI by Tom Ford Black Monogram Beaded Crystal Lizard Bamboo Horsebit Bag
By Gucci, Tom Ford for Gucci
Located in Switzerland, CH
A Gucci signature piece in the famous GG Monogram Limited Edition only sold in selected Gucci flagship stores Beautiful beaded jet black bag with lizard skin trimmings Famous Gucci s...
Dolce & Gabbana Lace up Silk Dress
By Dolce & Gabbana
Located in Water Mill, NY
A beautiful silk dress in a pink and green geometric print from Dolce & Gabbana. The bodice is vertically boned, fitted through to the hips and has an attached matching pink adjusta...
CELINE by MICHAEL KORS 2004 Vintage Runway Floral Skirt Set Pink Fuchsia White
By Celine
Located in Leonardo, NJ
Michael Kors for Celine Vintage Runway SS04 2 piece skirt set Can tie MANY ways 100% silk White and Pink hibiscus flowers Side zip on skirt Size F40 Great vintage condition, minor f...
This simple move can jazz up any outfit without bringing on the heat.
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The actress and style icon wore the 1960s frames while shooting on location in the French Riviera.
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