$2,175Sale Price|51% Off
H 50 in W 46 in D 1.25 in
Randy Lee White Native American Ledger Style Acrylic Painting with Assemblage
Located in Denver, CO
White’s paintings are widely collected for their cultural resonance, layered textures, and dynamic storytelling, bridging the past and present of Indigenous art. A compelling exampl...
Acrylic
18K Reverse Crystal Mother of Pearl Hand Painted Brown War Pony Ring
By Diane Griswold Johnston
Located in Cohasset, MA
18K reverse crystal mother of pearl hand painted ledger art brown war pony ring
Crystal, 18k Gold
$1,350
H 24.5 in W 20 in D 1.5 in
Al Lostetter ‘Untitled (Ledger)’, 2001, Framed Mixed Media Native American Motif
By Kevin Red Star
Located in Morristown, NJ
Cannon and Kevin Red Star. Plains Indian Ledger Art Origin: Evolved in the late 19th century when Plains tribes used ledger books (often government-issued or repurposed accounting ...
Glass, Wood, Paper
"Grizzly Bear Chief" Framed Ledger Drawing
By Native American Art
Located in Coeur d'Alene, ID
Ledger drawing on South Dakota ledger paper given.
Paper
Roan Eagle, Wanbli Hito Warrior Ledger Drawing
By Sioux Indian Art
Located in Coeur d'Alene, ID
Roan Eagle, Wanbli Hito (Lakota, b. 1863) ledger drawing, untitled. Warrior on horseback. Pencil and watercolor; 7 1/4" x 12".
Paper
Heath Ledger, Holy
Located in New York, NY
Signed by the photographer on the verso Please inquire about additional limited sizes and editions
Archival Pigment
Ledger Line
By Babak Emanuel
Located in Toronto, ON
14" x 14" Unframed Limited Edition Mono-print of 175 Hand Signed by Emanuel Babak
Monoprint
Price Upon Request
H 14 in W 11 in
Heath Ledger, One Too Many, Premiere
Located in New York, NY
11x14 inches / 28x36 cm Edition of 12 + 3 Artist’s Proofs 20x30 inches / 51x76 cm Edition of 9 + 3 Artist’s Proofs 30x40 inches / 76x102 cm Edition of 9 + 3 Artist’s Proof...
Silver Gelatin, Archival Pigment
$17,500
H 50.01 in W 39.77 in
Heath Ledger, Casanova, Venice 2004, Contemporary, Celebrity, Photography, Later
By Greg Gorman
Located in München, BY
Edition 10, Printed Later Signed on a separate certificate Also available in 40 x 50 cm / 16 x 20 inch, Edition 25 Black and white portrait of actor Heath Ledger in young age. Fro...
Archival Pigment
$7,522
H 43.71 in W 43.71 in
Heath Ledger - Celebrity Artwork by Johnny Depp, A Knights Tale, The Dark Knight
By Johnny Depp
Located in Manchester, GB
Johnny Depp, Heath Ledger, 2023 Colour Silkscreen and Archival Pigment on 640gsm Waterford paper with deckled edge. Sheet size 100 x 100 cm (39.37 x39.37 in) Framed size 111.5 x 111...
Screen
Yellow Flower
Located in San Francisco, CA
Dominick Lombardi, Elemental, New York Times, November 7,2004 2002 Grace Consoli, A Show That Flowers, No Matter What, Arts Media, Oct 15 - Nov 15, 2002 2002 Ellen LeBow, Ten A...
Acrylic
$4,200
H 24.25 in W 31.75 in D 3 in
19th Century French Oil on Canvas Landscape Painting Signed Emile Godchaux
By Emile Godchaux
Located in Dallas, TX
His works frequently appeared in the ledgers of Bordeaux art dealers around 1900 and were often sold in public spaces to satisfy debts, reportedly due to his fondness for playing the...
Canvas, Giltwood
Ledger (Scrambled)
By Kes Zapkus
Located in New York, NY
"Ledger Scrambled is a favored “white painting” concept that I’ve often pursued, but with major changes. The ledger theme is represented by a partially obliterated vertical and horiz...
Acrylic, Cotton Canvas, Oil
Heath Ledger
By Sara von Kienegger
Located in New York, NY
fluorescent acrylic on canvas, touches of oil 36 x 36 in 2014
Acrylic, Oil Crayon
Unavailable
H 15 in W 12 in D 3 in
Steve Kaufman Original Sculpture The Godfather Ledger Book Signed Painting Art
By Steve Kaufman
Located in Bloomington, MN
Steve Kaufman (1960-2010): Californian Artist Steve Kaufman opened his Los Angeles art studio, The Art Studio, in August 2000 to herald in a vibrant new era of art and social progres...
Bronze
Unavailable
Heath Ledger, Calgary
By Jake Chessum
Located in New York, NY
12x16” Limited Edition of 20 Signed by the photographer Please allow extra production time. Other sizes available.
Archival Pigment
" Penelope’s Ledger", Unique Artist's Book
Located in Brooklyn, NY
"Preoccupied with the human condition, I have explored in my paintings, books, and works on paper, social issues and to a larger degree women’s issues inspired by myth, history and c...
Archival Paper
White Horse, Kiowa Chief, Original Cabinet Card, 1869
Located in Houston, TX
While incarcerated at Fort Marion, White Horse was among the prisoners who became artists in what would be called Ledger Art, for the ledgers they were drawn in. In 1878 he and the o...
Unavailable
H 72 in W 48 in D 1 in
Andrea, Oil Painting, Figurative Art, Nude, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil
Unavailable
H 84 in W 56.6 in D 1 in
Norman, Oil Painting, Canvas, Figurative Art, Portrait, Nude, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd
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H 84 in W 56.6 in D 1 in
Lonnie, Oil Painting, Canvas, Figurative Art, Portrait, Nude, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil
Unavailable
H 60 in W 48 in D 1 in
The Yellow Armchair, Figurative Art, Nude, Portrait, Pastel, Canvas, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil
Unavailable
H 16 in W 16 in
Frank Crowinshield's Vision, Figurative Art, Li, mited Edition, Signed, Framed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Archival Paper
Unavailable
H 75 in W 51 in D 1 in
"Word Portrait: In Carl's Words" Painting, Pastels on Cutout Canvas, Figurative
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Paint, Pastel
Unavailable
H 86 in W 61 in D 1 in
"Scourging" Oil, Photograph, and Alkyd on Canvas, Figurative, Silhouette
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd, Paint
Unavailable
H 60 in W 144 in D 1 in
"Obliteration" Oil and Alkyd Painting on Wood Panels, Yellow, Red, Orange
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Alkyd, Wood Panel, Paint
Unavailable
H 72 in W 48 in D 1 in
"Andrea" Portrait Painting: Oil on Canvas, Figurative, Nude
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil
Unavailable
H 85 in W 60 in D 1 in
"Journey" Oil, Photograph, and Alkyd on Canvas, Figurative
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 92 in W 63 in D 1 in
"Guerilla Girl Alice Neel" Painting: Oil and Alkyd on Wood, Figurative
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Wood, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 85 in W 60 in D 1 in
""Flower Vendor (Diego Rivera)" Oil, Photograph, and Alkyd on Canvas, Figurative
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 84 in W 60 in D 1 in
"Anatomy Lesson" Oil, Photograph, and Alkyd on Canvas, Figurative, Silhouette
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The NY Times, Art News, The Village Voice, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Mixed Media, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 75 in W 51 in
Word Portrait: In Carl's Words, Pastels, Portrait, Cutout, Canvas, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Pastel
Beth, Portrait, Chalk, Charcoal, Paper, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Paper, Chalk, Charcoal
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Olu, Oil Painting, Alkyd Painting, Canvas, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 92 in W 63 in D 1 in
Guerrilla Girl Alice Neel, Oil Painting, Wood Panel, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Wood Panel
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Dillon Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Oil Painting, Wood Panel, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Wood Panel
Unavailable
H 54 in W 90 in D 1 in
Mukhtaran Bibi, Oil Painting, Alkyd Painting, Canvas, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil, Alkyd
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Jasmine Holding Gold Grill, Oil Painting, Canvas, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Canvas, Oil
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Judy Makeover, Oil Painting, Wood Panel, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Wood Panel
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Reflections Spencer, Oil Painting, Alkyd Painting, Wood Panel, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Alkyd, Wood Panel
Unavailable
H 48 in W 36 in D 1 in
Samer, Oil Painting, Wood Panel, Portrait, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Oil, Alkyd, Wood Panel
Unavailable
H 17 in W 21 in D 1 in
Getting Acquainted with Calder's Mouette, Limited Edition Print, Signed, Framed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Archival Paper
Unavailable
H 21 in W 17 in D 1 in
Strong Woman on Calder's Elephant, Limited Edition, Figurative, Signed, Framed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Archival Paper
Unavailable
H 16 in W 16 in D 1 in
Diving Into Calder's Goldfish Bowl, Archival Ink, Figurative, Signed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Photographic Paper, Archival Paper
Unavailable
H 16 in W 16 in D 1 in
Watching From A Safe Distance, Limited Edition Print, Signed, Framed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Photographic Paper
Unavailable
H 17 in W 21 in D 1 in
Shall We Dance Josephine, Archival Ink, Figurative, Signed, Framed
By Grace Graupe-Pillard
Located in New York, NY
Her work has been written about in The Village Voice, The NY Times, Art News, The Star-Ledger, Newsday, Flash Art, Artforum, Art in America, Arts, and Tema Celeste.
Archival Ink, Photographic Paper
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H 22 in W 16 in D 1.25 in
Native American Ledger Art Drawing, "Ar-no-ho-wok", James Black, Cheyenne, 2021
By Native American Art
Located in Denver, CO
His traditional style ledger art has been exhibited at the National Cowboy Hall of Fame, Santa Fe Indian Market and the Heard Museum.
Paper
Ledger Art, "Sioux Medicine Men" by James Black 'Cheyenne'
Located in Denver, CO
He knew his people did more traditional pictographic drawings known as ledger drawings. Studying more about this ledger art form, he found that it was more than drawing Indians fight...
Paper
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H 23.25 in W 16.75 in L 23.25 in
Untitled 'Cheyenne Woman with Parfleche and Umbrella', Ledger Art Drawing
By James Black
Located in Denver, CO
Untitled (Cheyenne Woman with Parfleche and Umbrella) is a crayon and marker on antique ledger paper drawing marked "Missouri, for the Year 1895" by contemporary Native American arti...
Paint, Paper
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H 16.5 in W 13.75 in D 0.07 in
Untitled "Cheyenne Woman and Man with Baby in Cradle", Ledger Art Drawing
By James Black
Located in Denver, CO
Cheyenne Woman and Man with Baby in Cradle by contemporary Native American artist, James Black, Cheyenne/Arapahoe. Crayon and marker on antique ledger paper marked " Of Vernon County...
Paper
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H 20 in W 25.75 in D 1 in
Original Cheyenne Ledger Drawing "Initiation Day - Cheyenne Bowstring Society"
Located in Denver, CO
He knew his people did more traditional pictographic drawings known as ledger drawings. Studying more about this ledger art form, he found that it was more than drawing Indians fig...
Paper
Tantra Ledger XXVII
By Robert Kelly
Located in Phoenix, AZ
conte and gouache on paper, framed image size h 14.5" w 11" Having grown fond of the pared down vocabulary of line, form, and color, Robert Kelly assembles work with a ...
Paper, Conté, Gouache
Tantra Ledger XXV
By Robert Kelly
Located in Phoenix, AZ
conte and gouache on paper, framed image size h 14.75" w 11.25" Having grown fond of the pared down vocabulary of line, form, and color, Robert Kelly assembles work wit...
Paper, Conté, Gouache
Cairo Ledger III
By Robert Kelly
Located in Phoenix, AZ
oil and mixed media on canvas
Canvas, Mixed Media, Oil
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H 27 in W 43.5 in D 1 in
"Two Arapahos Chased by Soldiers" Native American Theme Ledger Tapestry Painting
Located in Houston, TX
The work features two Araphos people on horseback being chased by American soldiers with guns in the style of ledger paintings. Signed in front upper right corner and titled along fr...
Ink, Watercolor, Muslin
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H 17 in W 21 in
"Poems About Fucking", Geometric, Minimalist, Greyscale Drawing, Vintage Ledger
Located in Philadelphia, PA
Chamillard is an owner of ATLAS fine art services.
Paper, Pen
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H 36 in W 45 in D 3.5 in
19th Century French Painting of Cows on a Forest Path by Emile Godchaux, Signed
By Emile Godchaux
Located in Birmingham, AL
Godchaux's work has often been found among the ledgers of art dealers in Bordeaux around the turn of the 20th century, presumably due to his affinity for playing the national lottery.
Giltwood, Canvas
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H 23 in W 25.5 in D 1 in
Cheyenne Woman with Baby, Horse, and Dog, Native American Ledger Art Drawing
By James Black
Located in Denver, CO
His traditional style ledger art has been exhibited at the National Cowboy Hall of Fame, Santa Fe Indian Market and the Heard Museum.
Paper
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H 24.5 in W 27 in D 1.75 in
War Party Scene, Native American Ledger Art Drawing, 2021, Red, Blue, Yellow
By James Black
Located in Denver, CO
Colored pencil on ledger paper by James Black (20th-21st century). Presented framed in archival materials, outer dimensions measure 24 ½ x 27 inches. Image size is 14 x 16 ¾ inches.
Paper
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H 11.5 in W 17.25 in D 0.07 in
Three Sisters of the Elk Scraper Society 'Cheyenne', Native American Ledger Art
By James Black
Located in Denver, CO
Three Sisters of the Elk Scraper Society, female Cheyenne figures with umbrellas and baby in a cradle board by contemporary Native American artist, James Black, Cheyenne Arapahoe. Cr...
Paper
Untitled ‘Ledger Drawing’ Original Painting by Randy Lee White
By Native American Art
Located in Denver, CO
An original painting in the style of a Sioux ledger drawing of two Native American (Plains Indian) figures with a horse by Randy Lee White, also known as Randy Lee Whitehorse (born 1...
Paper
19th Century Ship Captain's Ledger
Located in Nantucket, MA
Ship's Ledger of Captain John Fordham, Suffolk County, Long Island New York, 1850-1865, aboard the Sloop "HOME", the Schooner "GENERAL MARION" and the Schooner "GEORGE & EDGER." Prov...
Paper
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H 27 in W 43.5 in D 1 in
"Two Arapahos Chased by Soldiers" Native American Theme Ledger Tapestry Painting
Located in Houston, TX
The work features two Araphos people on horseback being chased by American soldiers with guns in the style of ledger paintings. Signed in front upper right corner and titled along fr...
Muslin, Ink, Watercolor
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H 49.25 in W 50.25 in D 15 in
Early 20th Century Industrial Courthouse Ledger File Cabinet, circa 1940s
By Art Metal Co.
Located in San Francisco, CA
About A large, Army green metal courthouse ledger file cabinet with 40 drawers and brass handles.
Metal, Steel, Brass
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H 10 in W 8 in
Untitled 15, Ledger Paper, Goddess Yoga Pose, Brown Paper Collage Female Figure
By Jessica Maffia
Located in Kent, CT
In this hand-cut paper collage on paper, ivory lined ledger paper with handwritten text in dark blue ballpoint pen is cut to form the silhouette of a delicately outlined female figur...
Paper, Handmade Paper
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H 10 in W 8 in
Untitled 14, Paper Collage, Female Figure, Yoga Pose, Ledger Paper, Siena Brown
By Jessica Maffia
Located in Kent, CT
In this hand-cut paper collage on paper, ivory lined ledger paper with handwritten text in navy blue ballpoint pen is cut to form the silhouette of a delicately outlined female figur...
Paper, Handmade Paper
Lakota Sioux Painted Buffalo Hide by Merle Locke
Located in Coeur d'Alene, ID
Merle Locke is a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe, having grown up in the Porcupine district of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. He is known for his ledger art paintings, evoking ...
Other
Indian Ledger Drawing of Dance Parade with Horses
Located in New York, NY
Early Native American drawing on ledger paper of two Indians and three magnificent horses with written caption Rem Dance Parade drawn and colored in pencil. The riders carry dance st...
Paper
Flats in Poplar
By Janet Ledger
Located in Greater Manchester, Cheshire
'Flats in Poplar'. Oil on board painting by Janet Ledger, (b.1934). Predominant colours of grey and red. Picture size: 25cms x 37cms. Frame size 42cms x 55cms. Signed lower left....
Oil
$5,500 / set
Black Onyx cat with pink sapphire band ring
By Diane Griswold Johnston
Located in Cohasset, MA
18K, beautifully hand carved Onyx Cat Head, Carved by Master Carver Idar Oberstein. Citrine eyes, .80 carats of Pink Sapphires in eternity band.
Onyx, Pink Sapphire, 18k Gold
$1,250
H 27 in W 10 in D 10 in
Large Signed Native American Hopi Original Mudhead Kachina Katsina Doll on Stand
By Native American Art
Located in Studio City, CA
A wonderfully handcrafted/detailed and decorated Native American Hopi Mudhead Kachina doll. Quite an unusually large work. A striking piece overall. Hand painted with leather and pos...
Leather, Wood, Paint
$8,500Sale Price|41% Off
H 96 in W 52.75 in D 2 in
Vintage 1930s Navajo Pictorial Rug with Airplane Motif, Wool Textile
By Navajo Indian Art
Located in Denver, CO
This exceptional vintage Navajo pictorial rug, woven circa 1930s–1940s, is a rare and visually captivating example of Southwestern textile artistry—where tradition meets modern influ...
Wool
18K Mother of Pearl Black and White War Horse Reverse Crystal Ring
By Diane Griswold Johnston
Located in Cohasset, MA
18K ledgand art lack and white paointed war horse ring reverse crystal on mother of pearl hand painted
Crystal, 18k Gold