20th Century Industrial Drafting Table
By Alvin Corporation
Located in New York, NY
Vintage wood and cast iron Industrial drafting table with an adjustable height and a pivoting
Iron
Vintage A. Lietz Co. Drafting Table c.1940-1950
By A. Lietz Co.
Located in San Francisco, CA
ABOUT A fully adjustable industrial drafting table with solid wood top and cast iron hardware and
Iron
C1960, Maple Adjustable Drafting Art Industrial Table
Located in Port Jervis, NY
Well constructed maple drafting table from the sixties. Reaches a hgt of 41.5 and a low of 30.5
Iron
Dietzgen Cast Iron Double Pedestal Base Drafting Table
By Dietzgen
Located in Newtown, CT
Dietzgen Cast Iron Double Pedestal Drafting Table. The top is 60" x 38". It can raise from 35" to
Iron
Antique Adjustable Architect or Artist Drafting or Drawing Table
Located in Las Vegas, NV
A uniquely worn and aged adjustable artists or architects drafting table from the early 20th
Steel
Illuminated Adjustable Drafting Table, 1950s USA
Located in Los Angeles, CA
Incredible industrial grade light box drafting table. Extremely heavy and well made in the US
Metal
Vintage Architect Drafting Table, circa 1940
Located in Napa, CA
Vintage metal and wood architect's or drafting table. Tubular steel with wood tabletop, circa 1940
Wood
Drafting Table Base with Marble Top
Located in Sheffield, MA
Antique adjustable tilt-top table with gold gilt cast iron clawfoot base. The original wood top has
Carrara Marble, Iron
Mid Century Drafting Table by Anco C1940 Oak & Maple
By Anco Bilt
Located in Port Jervis, NY
Great size and construction using oak for the base and maple for the top. Iron adjustment hardware all in very good condition with age related wear. No abuse. Height reaches 44inches...
Iron
$1,600
H 33 in W 44.13 in D 34.88 in
Vintage Industrial Anco Bilt Cast Iron and Oak Drafting Table with Steel Surface
By Anco Bilt
Located in Brooklyn, NY
Industrial drafting table/desk in oak with steel surface, fully adjustable via cast iron hinges
Cut Steel, Iron
19th Century Adjustable Drafting Table on Cast Iron Base
Located in Sheffield, MA
Antique adjustable tilt-top table with cast iron base with painted wood work or table surface that
Metal
Antique Industrial Adjustable Cast Iron Drawing Easel Table
By Washburn Shops 1
Located in Brooklyn, NY
This antique, industrial, artist rendering easel or drafting table features a 24 x 22 inch, solid
Iron
$1,650
H 37.75 in W 22 in D 22 in
1930s Drafting Table Sculpture Stand or Easel Vintage Industrial Keuffel Esser
By Keuffel and Esser Co. 1
Located in Atlanta, GA
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table, made by Keuffel and Esser, American, circa 1930s. Retains its
Metal
$2,200
H 42 in W 42 in D 30 in
Antique Industrial Adjustable Cast Iron Drawing / Drafting / Easel Table
By Washburn Shops 1
Located in Buffalo, NY
Antique, industrial, artist rendering easel or drafting table features a 42 x 30 inch,solid wood
Metal, Iron
$639Sale Price|60% Off
H 30 in W 50 in D 30 in
Industrial Modern Wrought Iron Tilt Top Drafting Desk / Table
By Jorge A. Marien
Located in East Freetown, MA
Extraordinary modern wrought iron and glass tilt top drafting desk/table. Glass top is framed by
Iron
19th Century Adjustable Drafting Table in Cast Iron
Located in Mexico City, CDMX
We offer this 19th century adjustable drafting table in cast iron. The top of the table are
Iron
$561Sale Price|20% Off
H 27.56 in W 13.78 in D 7.88 in
Dazor 2324 Industrial Desk Drafting Architect Work Articulating Lamp, 1950s
Located in Antwerp, BE
A spectacular vintage original circa Dazor 2324 Industrial desk drafting work lamp flourescent
Metal, Metallic Thread
$4,800
H 40 in W 51 in D 32 in
Antique Industrial Cast Iron Drafting / Drawing Table by Keuffel and Esser Co. 1
By Keuffel and Esser Co. 1
Located in Buffalo, NY
1920s American eagle drawing table by Keuffel & Esser Co. Overall dimensions: 32″ x 51″ Height
Steel, Iron
Antique Cast Iron Base Drafting Table
Located in Newtown, CT
Antique cast iron Base Drafting Table. Heavy base with a nice clean top. Originally out of Pratt
Metal
$1,500
H 26.78 in W 20.08 in D 22.05 in
19th Century Adjustable Drafting Table in Cast Iron with Rare Skull Painting
Located in Mexico City, CDMX
We offer this 19th century adjustable drafting table in cast iron with amazing skull painting on
Iron
Antique Keuffel & Esser Drafting Table With Iron Base
Located in Lambertville, NJ
Antique Keuffel & Esser Drafting Table with Iron Base.. this table goes from 30 inches tall to 38
Iron
$2,795
H 34 in W 50 in D 21 in
19thC Cast Iron Drafting Console Table w Carrara Marble Top by Dietzgen
By Dietzgen
Located in Port Jervis, NY
Fantastic late 19th century cast iron drafting table converted to a marble top console or sofa
Carrara Marble, Iron
Cast Iron Drafting Table by A. Hoffman Co. 1910 Rochester, NY
By A. Hoffman Co.
Located in Mexico City, CDMX
1910 drafting table by A. Hoffman Co. blackened cast iron and steel with wood. Stamped "Peerless
Iron
Industrial Steel Standing Drafting Desk Table by Parent Metal Products
Located in West Chester, PA
Mid-Century Industrial Steel Standing Desk by Parent Metal Products of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Steel
Mid-Century, Italian, Grey Enameled Drafting Lamp by Tecnolampada
Located in Los Angeles, CA
Italian drafting table lamp by Tecnolampada with original manufacturer tag. Swivel and tilting head
Metal
Original Keuffel and Esser Drafting Table
By Keuffel and Esser Co. 1
Located in Hong Kong, HK
This impressive drafting table boasts a signature X- shape iron base, perfect for use as a standing
Iron
Vintage Rustic C. Christiansen Workbench Desk
Located in West Palm Beach, FL
20th-century industrial drafting or workbench tables. Constructed from solid, enduring hardwood, the
Metal
Oak French Industrial Drafting Table Desk Tilt Steel Base
Located in Baltimore, MD
The Oak Top French Industrial Drafting Table is a thoughtfully designed and expertly crafted piece
Steel
Antique Hamilton Drafting Table Industrial Table
Located in Newtown, CT
Beautiful original condition antique Hamilton drafting table. The top is 36" x 48" and the base is
Iron
Morse Antique Drafting Table Industrial Table
By Morse Machine Company
Located in Newtown, CT
Rare Morse drafting table. Measures: 36" x 48" top. Top has been cleaned and sealed. Retains
Iron
Vintage Industrial Table Drafting Table Work Table
Located in Newtown, CT
Vintage Industrial table with wood top. Beautil green color base that raises and tilts on wheels
Wood
Drafting Table
Located in Stamford, CT
Wooden Drafting Table. Top raises and lowers and pivots from horizontal to vertical.Metal edged
Wood
Unavailable
Vintage drafting table
Located in Newport Coast, CA
Old vintage drafting table
Metal
Antique Drafting Table
Located in New York, NY
The most complete and original drafting table we have ever had the opportunity to purchase. In
Biedermeier Drafting Table
Located in Chicago, IL
During the Biedermeier era, drafting tables, indispensable for architects, were also desirable in
Walnut
Antique American Drafting Table
Located in Chicago, IL
Antique American drafting table with cast iron base and wooden top. Great patina.
Metal
Unavailable
H 64 in W 69.25 in D 30 in
Nike drafting table with Jenny drafting machine by Raymond Loewy
By Raymond Loewy
Located in Houston, TX
drafting table on Nike, of Eskiltuna, Sweden table base. The cast steel hydraulic base sits upon
Aluminum, Stainless Steel
1900 Cast Iron Oak Top Drafting Table/Stand
Located in Hudson, NY
Cast iron base stand with a tan/brown paint color. Typical wear on the paint. Solid oak top will fold to almost flat. Has a few scuffs and minor scratches. One wheel adjustment. Whee...
Iron
Antique French Wood Drafting Table & Stool
Located in New York, NY
Vintage drafting table and chair. Sold as set. Table - 36"L x 42"W x Adjustable Height Chair
Metal
Isis Drafting Table with Original Components
Located in Atlanta, GA
A fine example of an early 20th century drafting table with a heavy iron base,complete with light
Ultimate Printers or Drafting Work Table
By Hamilton
Located in Pasadena, CA
Heavy very sexy original printers table or could be used for drafting. Great casters supporting
Steel
Marin County Hand Crafted Drafting Table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
Mad concoction dreamed up by draftsman living the California Dream. Features a stack laminated winged creature and seven different woods.
Walnut, Ebony, Oak, Rosewood, Glass
Antique Drafting Table by Jerome W. Hurych, New York
Located in Chicago, IL
Antique drafting table by Jerome W. Hurych New York. Fully functional. Top 47.5” by 32.5”.
Iron
Unavailable
H 86.62 in W 59.06 in D 39.38 in
Iron and Wood Adjustable Architect's Drafting Desk Table, 1905s
Located in Roubaix, FR
French architect's drafting table or writing desk ,mahogany top leans from perfectly horizontale
Iron
Unavailable
H 39 in W 55 in D 36.25 in
Drafting Table by Keuffel Esser, of Southern Plantation Pine, circa 1900s
By Keuffel and Esser Co. 1
Located in Madison, WI
Drafting table by Keuffel Esser, circa 1900s. Made from Southern Plantation Pine, the oversized top
Iron
Beiffe Padova Joe Colombo Italian Drafting Board
By Joe Colombo
Located in everton lymington, GB
Beiff Padova Italian drafting board desk or drafting table Attributed to be by Joe Colombo in 1969
Steel
Walnut Butch Block Tilt Drafting Desk Standing Height table
Located in Baltimore, MD
industrial drafting table may be understated in its description, but it is sure to make a lasting impression
Steel
Unavailable
H 30 in W 31 in D 23 in
Drafting Table Cast Iron Tripod Leg Anderson Industrial Table Brooklyn
By Anderson
Located in East Hampton, NY
The drafting table is antique cast iron tripod leg with wood tilt top. Adjustable height and angle
Iron
1940 Cast Iron Drafting Table with Extra Large Surface
Located in Hudson, NY
Very large surface cast iron drafting table with solid oak footrest on bottom. Top has been
Iron
Walnut Drafting Table Adjustable Lift and Tilt Steel Base
Located in Baltimore, MD
Handcrafted in Baltimore. This Marabu inspired, custom-crafted drafting table is a fully functional
Steel
Unavailable
H 29 in W 37.5 in D 31 in
Wim Rietveld & Friso Kramer — Reply Drafting Desk Table and Task Chair
By Friso Kramer, Wim Rietveld
Located in Bonita Springs, FL
pairing from the Dutch mid-century industrial movement, this Reply drafting table by Wim Rietveld and task
Steel, Enamel, Stainless Steel
O.C. White Brass Clamp on Table Lamp Drafting Lamp
By O.C. White
Located in Newtown, CT
Brass O.C. White clamp on table lamp. Aged patina, and newly wired. Can adjust roughly from 34" to
Brass
American Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Philadelphia, PA
American Industrial Drafting table that adjusts and moves into multiple positions! Flat surface can
Iron
Industrial drafting table / breakfast bar table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
Industrial drafting table. Restored with blackened steel plate top. Great in a loft or in a kitchen
Wood
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Oakville, CT
Vintage Industrial, Drafting Table in Original Green Paint.
Wood
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Oakville, CT
Vintage industrial drafting table with unique six leg base. Cast iron base, pine top with metal
Iron
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table
By Martello
Located in Oakville, CT
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table by Martello. Very unique adjustments move the table top anywhere
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
large iron and wood dining table adjustable as large architectural desk
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table
By Dietzgen
Located in Los Angeles, CA
large iron and wood dining table, adjustable as large architectural desk, height 32.5" - 41"
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
large iron and wood dining table by Hamilton Mfg Co. adjustable as large architectural desk
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table Desk
Located in Pasadena, TX
Garrett industries Industrial drafting table desk A unique multi functional configuration in
Steel
Antique Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Wilmington, DE
Antique drafting table with adjustable top What a find. Offered is an antique drafting table
Driftwood
Industrial Drafting Table and Chair
Located in Los Angeles, CA
1920's Anderson Industral drafting table Brooklyn, NY adjustable height and table top
Iron, Metal
Old Industrial Drafting Table of the 1940s
Located in Vlimmeren, BE
This great Industrial drafting table can be dated in the 1940s. It is a nice piece with a dark
Antique Craftsman Solid Oak Industrial Drafting Table Desk
By E.H. Sheldon & Co.
Located in Chula Vista, CA
Stunning Oak Industrial Drafting Table Desk with Drawers Storage attributed to E.H. Sheldon & Co
Brass
Vintage Oldor Industrial Drafting Table and Stool
Located in Calgary, Alberta
The best we have seen! Vintage iron drafting table and stool with its original drawing arm and
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
iron and wood dining table adjustable as large architectural desk
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Los Angeles, CA
large cast iron and wood architectural desk by B.K. Elliott for Hamilton, machine green, adjustable
Iron
Sold
H 47 in W 36 in D 24 in
Vintage Anco Bilt Folding Solid Wood Industrial Drafting Table Writing Desk
By Anco Bilt
Located in Philadelphia, PA
Vintage Anco Bilt Folding Solid Wood Industrial Drafting Table Writing Desk. Circa Mid 20th Century
Wood
Vintage Industrial Drafting Table or Desk with Drawer
Located in Oakville, CT
Vintage Industrial furniture. Mission style drafting table or desk with drawer. Table measures 44 1
Wood
Unique Adjustable Cast Iron & Wood Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Oakville, CT
Wood & Metal Drafting Table 37 1/2" x 60" x 31 1/2" - 41 1/2" High
Metal
Unique Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Oakville, CT
Mill Table Redesigned as Drafting Table. Adjustable Height from 31" - 40". Adjustable Tilt in both
Iron, Metal
Unique Industrial Drafting Table
Located in Oakville, CT
Mill Table Redesigned as Drafting Table. Adjustable Height from 31" - 40". Adjustable Tilt in both
Iron, Metal
Vintage Mid-Century Industrial Drafting Table by Anco Bilt of NY
By Anco Bilt
Located in Pasadena, TX
Anco Bilt of New York Vintage Industrial drafting table Made from 1934 through 1970 in New
Steel
Old American Industrial Drafting Table
By Hamilton & Co., Calcutta
Located in Vlimmeren, BE
This old American drafting table can be dated in the early 20th century. The base is made of black
Iron
Industrial Drafting Table by NIKE
Located in Oakville, CT
Authentic vintage Industrial style swivel, tilt and height adjustable drafting table or desk by
Metal, Aluminum, Iron
Industrial Drafting Table by Nike, Tall Model
Located in Oakville, CT
Authentic vintage industrial style swivel, tilt and height adjustable drafting table or desk by
Metal
Large Industrial Cherry Drafting Table Cast Iron Pedestal Base
Located in Brooklyn, NY
Large, Industrial drafting table features a cherry top with cast iron, pedestal base that is height
Iron
20th Century French Industrial Cast Iron Mechanical Drafting Table
Located in High Point, NC
This 20th-century French industrial drafting table features an impressive combination of solid wood
Metal, Berlin Iron
Sold
H 31 in W 43 in D 25 in
H.E. Smith Company Oak Adjustable Trestle Base Drafting Easel Drawing Table
Located in Dayton, OH
Vintage H. E. Smith Company industrial drafting table or architectural desk with wooden trestle
Oak
Antique Adjustable Redwood and Oak Drafting Table c.1930-1940
Located in San Francisco, CA
About Contact us for more shipping options: S16 Home San Francisco. An industrial drafting
Steel, Iron
Antique Hamilton Wood and Cast Iron Drafting Table, C.1930-1940
By Hamilton Caster & Mfg. Co.
Located in San Francisco, CA
About A fully adjustable industrial drafting table with solid wood top and cast iron base and
Steel, Iron
Antique Hamilton Mfg. Co. Drafting Table with Footrest c.1930
Located in San Francisco, CA
adjustable industrial drafting table with solid Maple top, wooden base and solid cast iron black knobs
Steel, Iron
Professional Industrial Adjustable Drafting Table
Located in Pasadena, TX
A wonderful and unusual adjustable industrial drafting table with a 1" thick wooden top and a cast
$2,795 / set
H 31 in W 19 in D 19 in
Set of Six Mid-Century Modern Walnut and Brass Fittings Upholstered Dining Chair
Located in Germantown, MD
Set of Six Mid-Century Modern Walnut and Upholstered Seat Dining Chairs. One captain and five side chairs. Sky Blue Upholstery. Measures 19 " in width, 19 " in depth and 31" in heig...
Brass
$7,017 / item
H 61.03 in Dm 43.31 in
Italian Mid-Century Murano Leaf Chandelier in Handblown Venetian Glass and Brass
By Barovier
Located in Bochum, NRW
Illuminate your space with this striking vintage Murano chandelier, a true testament to Italian mid-century artistry. Expertly handcrafted in Murano, Italy, this chandelier features ...
Brass
$2,900
H 29 in W 42 in D 31 in
Belmont Adjustable Hydraulic Architectural Drafting / Work Table, Art Deco Style
By Belmont
Located in Buffalo, NY
Mid Century Modern / Art Deco adjustable hydraulic architectural drafting or working table, by Belmont 1940s / 50s The table is equipped with a hydraulic lift height adjustment syste...
Chrome, Metal
Large Neoclassical Blue Murano Glass Chandelier
By Seguso
Located in Dallas, TX
Mid-Century Modern blue Murano glass chandelier, attributed to Seguso, Italy 1980s The large chandelier is made of transparent blue handmade Murano glass with gold plated mounts. The...
Gold Plate
Sold|$26,058
H 42.52 in W 64.57 in D 17.33 in
Large French Antique Louis XV Carrara Marble Fireplace Mantel
Located in London, GB
A well proportioned and finely carved Louis XV style fireplace in Italian Carrara marble. The carved panelled jambs with stiff acanthus at the bottom, descending flowers and foliage ...
Carrara Marble
$4,500 / set
H 36 in W 16 in D 21 in
Fun Orange Slice 1960s Dining Table Four Chairs Probber Style Mid-Century Modern
By Harvey Probber
Located in Pemberton, NJ
Gorgeous fun set of four dining chairs with matching orange slice flower dining table. All the metal frames have been freshly powder coated in the same exact color they originally we...
Metal
Very Large Early 20th Century Work Table
Located in London, England
Very large double sided 12 drawer drapers / shop table in oak with leatherette covered top. Fantastic gently restored condition. Circa 1900.
Faux Leather, Formica, Oak
$2,873
H 25.6 in W 11.82 in D 7.09 in
Murano chandelier by Ercole Barovier Barovier & Toso, Italy 1930s
By Barovier&Toso, Ercole Barovier
Located in Miklavž Pri Taboru, SI
Murano chandelier by Ercole Barovier Barovier & Toso made in Italy in the 1930s. Founded in 1295 in Murano, Italy, Barovier & Toso stands as one of the oldest family businesses globa...
Brass
Jenny Ash Wood Bench by Morelato
By Morelato
Located in Milan, IT
Crafted with the precision of master artisans, Jenny is an exquisite wooden loveseat that exudes timeless elegance. Its ash wood frame, meticulously turned and shaped, boasts a uniqu...
Wood
Antique Industrial Jeweler's Bench Work Table
Located in Mexico City, CDMX
Circa 1930. We offer a most unique antique Mexican Industrial Jeweler's Bench Work Table with outstanding patina. The stool is not included.
Wood
$2,419
H 29.53 in W 57.09 in D 29.53 in
Italian Office Teak Desk in the style of Gianfranco Frattini, Italy 1960's
By Gianfranco Frattini
Located in Ceglie Messapica, IT
Mid-Century Teak and Cherry Wood Desk in the Style of Gianfranco Frattini, Italy, 1960s Refined Italian Office Teak Desk in the style of Gianfranco Frattini, manufactured in Italy i...
Brass
$907
H 21.66 in W 21.66 in D 21.66 in
Art Deco Bauhaus Chrome Chandelier from Napako, Czechoslovakia, 1940s
By Napako
Located in Żory, PL
Hanging lamp by Napako, made in Czechoslovakia in the 1940s. It has three arms with original glass shades and a chromed metal structure. A stylish and authentic piece of vintage Czec...
Steel, Chrome
Jewelry Safe Brushed Gold Brass
Located in Paris, FR
Jewelry safe vintage golded distinguishes itself following a new hyperluxury trend. Special compartments for jewelry and precious liquors, watch winders for watches and humidors f...
Gold Plate, Brass
1950s Wim Rietveld Friso Kramer Reply Drafting Table Ahrend de Cirkel
By Wim Rietveld, Ahrend de Cirkel, Friso Kramer
Located in Los Angeles, CA
Rare Wim Rietveld 'Reply' drafting table with rare side tray. The hinging mechanism was a collaborative design with Wim Rietveld and Friso Kramer for Ahrend de Cirkel in 1958. Adjust...
Metal
$22,000
H 34.65 in Dm 30.71 in
1950s Italian Chandelier by Stilnovo in Brass, Black Enamel, and Opaline Glass
By Stilnovo
Located in Rome, IT
Original chandelier produced in Italy during the 1950s by Stilnovo, a rare and highly valuable piece of mid-century lighting design. The structure is composed of a circular brass fr...
Metal, Brass
1940s Articulating Clamp Lamp for Table Desk Oak Wood
Located in Chula Vista, CA
AMBIANIC presents 1940s Clamp Desk Lamp for Drafting Table Adjustable and Articulating 30 tall fully extended Shade 7.25 Original unrestored vintage condition Review images provided.
Oak
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